And the Controversy Continues

It is early and I have a couple of things I need to deal with this morning before I can sit down to do a full blog post. In the meantime, the controversy surrounding the RWA/Courtney Milan issue continues. I haven’t had time to do more than a cursory look into the latest from RWA about what happened yesterday. Here are a couple of links. I will say, no matter now this shakes out, RWA is right. It has lost the trust of its membership, on both sides of the issue. The question is going to be how it recovers and what steps it takes moving forward.

Here are the links. I’ll be back later.

12/30 Statement from the RWA12/30 Statement from the RWA

12/30 NYT article12/30 NYT article

Leave your thoughts in the comments below.

72 comments

  1. IMHO, a tempest in a tweetpot, unworthy of the effort expended. I know I am a noob, so please tell me why I should give a flip why the RWA, or the SWFA, for that matter, does or doesn’t do whatever. There’s a local school board meets every month if I ever feel I’m needing a shot of histrionics. We can have a knock down drag out over which songs the band will play next football season. 😬

    1. Mark, I could care less where SFWA and most of the other organizations are concerned. They have long been more for the organization and less for the individual writer. The fact SFWA took as long as it did to address the question of indie authors and membership in the organization as a pro is a perfect example. RWA, however, has always been more responsive to the needs of its authors and it has been an excellent source for information and training. The fact it apparently is giving in to the loud few is of concern.

      1. Thank you,Amanda. But what exactly is the benefit of these various *WA clubs? To an author not entranced by “belonging” or bedazzled by being some flavor of Poobah? I know what the NRA purports to do.

        1. Mark, the RWA is–or was–the only group I’d recommend a new writer joining. There are local chapters that are active and bring in speakers on a regular basis. These folks do everything from working as traditionally published authors to being cover artists, editors, etc. There are also critique groups specific to your romance sub-genre. RWA also offers/offered online resources and it would go to bat for its members in contract disputes, etc. There was also, iirc, insurance you could get through it (this is all from memory. I haven’t been a member for some time because I was focusing on non-romance genres). The national meeting was not only a business meeting but had some of the best instructional sessions I’ve ever attended. In fact,education has been a big part of RWA membership (or was).

  2. Milan may have hit the NYT but on Twitter #IStandWithCourtney has only gotten 10 tweets in the past 8 hours. That’s gotta sting her ego! And, while she is still the goddess divine to the loudmouths on the RWA forums, more and more members are speaking out against her initial targeted harassment.

    Plus, the further this drama hits the world outside of her mob bubble, the more people who have no skin in the game will comment on the stupidity. I’ve seen a few comments from Chinese and other Far East racial group people who are essentially calling BS on Milan’s feigned offense at the horrific slurs in Davis’ book.

    This might actually get fun! *evil laugh

    1. I’ve seen a few comments from Chinese and other Far East racial group people who are essentially calling BS on Milan’s feigned offense at the horrific slurs in Davis’ book.

      I’m not surprised. I remember during the stupid “My culture is not your prom dress” twit storm, there were a lot of tweets from Chinese people who said it was a lovely dress and they were glad the girl had chosen to wear it.

      1. There was also the little white American girl who had “Japanese Tea Ceremony” themed birthday party including Kimono & Face Paint (I don’t recall if her friends also dressed up), & when someone took offense on behalf of all Japanese (a group of which they themselves were not a part), dozens (possibly more) of people who identified as Japanese on social media jumped in boots & all… to support the girl & her mother for trying to show respect for Japanese Culture.

        1. A response which should’ve been f’in obvious to anyone who spent thirty seconds watching anime.

          Like, seriously.

          “Dude, this is awesome, let’s do this!”

          It’s a complement.

    2. “Wah! You didn’t include a transgender person in your novel about an 1840s wagon train! Wah!” (This is addressed to the SJWs): Why do some people get so upset about what others write? If you don’t like what somebody else has written, then go and write your own story!

      One of my hobbies is model railroading. There is a Rule #1 of Model Railroading: “It’s my railroad, and I can do what I want.” Model railroading has its share of “rivet-counters” and “nit-pickers,” but thankfully not at the foaming of the mouth level of the SJWs! Some of those model RR nit-pickers will complain that you have modern railcars running together with the railcars of a long-defunct railroad (for example). You can just refer them to Rule #1 of Model Railroading.

      Maybe writers should come up with a Rule #1 of writing? This proposed rule would be: “If you don’t like what I wrote, then don’t read it. Go and write whatever you want instead.” Of course, this is a variant of the Rule #1 of Model Railroading, which both Rules #1 are basically saying, “Mind your own business!”

      The SJWs trying to get folks to lose their source of income reminds me of workers who will report their co-workers to HR for the flimsiest of reasons, where workers should first talk with a co-worker who is doing something that annoys them. But of course, it is easier to run to HR, because that’s what cowards do instead of directly confronting an issue with someone.

      1. The original Rule #1 of writing was “write what you know”, but then straight white authors were scolded for not writing about minorities and gay people. Then, when they were bullied into writing characters who were “of color” or LGBT, they were racists or bigots for not hiring “sensitivity readers” to make sure those characters were satisfactory to the SJWs. Now, even if, like Eloisa James, you DO run your work by someone familiar with the background of a non-white character, you still get dragged over the coals if just one person’s feelings are hurt.

        You can’t win with the SJWs — damned if you do, damned if you don’t, they assume the worst motivations, act accordingly. They ONLY way to end this nonsense is to ignore and stick to your guns like J.K. Rowling is doing.

  3. My guess is RWA is likely dead as a relevant tool for writers, similar to SFWA. After their investigation and finding fault they’ve now walked everything back. My guess is that writers not looking for a social (justice) club will look at how the twitter mob bullied the organization into a complete reversal and say it’s not worth the headache and money to join. They’ll continue on as SFWA has, with a clique of ‘mean girls’ running everything, no dissent allowed.

  4. I find the statement illuminating because they didn’t say that the complaints made by Suzan Tisdale and Kathryn Lynn Davis were false. What they said is that the Ethics Committee decided to drop the actions against Courtney Milan due to political pressure.

    I think that sends a clear message that they won’t do anything when new authors are bullied by members of the popular cliques. I’ve read some of the remarks made publically by Courtney Milan and you can’t tell me that they weren’t “expressed inappropriately” at the very least.

    If I were considering joining the RWA, or if I had a membership up for renewal, this would make me seriously question the wisdom of being part of a group that so blatantly selectively enforces its rules.

    This is a particularly bad move at a time when writer’s associations in general are becoming less relevant. They came into existence to give authors some bargaining power in negotiations with traditional publishers–I don’t see that they have much to offer indie press or self-published authors. There is at least one organization for self-published romance writers I know of, I’m sure there are several.

    The bottom line is that statement smacks of “the ship is sinking, let’s drill some holes in the hull to let the water out.”

    1. That might be the worst long-term damage from this whole mess. Whatever one things or doesn’t think about the initial complaints and actions, just the idea that “Some Writers are more Equal than Others” is going to cause long-term damage. RWA has done a lot of good in the past, good that extended beyond the romance-writing community to writers at large. If RWA loses writers’ trust, they lose the teeth that they had to go after shady practices by publishers and others. That’s not good for anyone.

  5. There seems to be no question that Courtney Milan is an SJW and a Twitter bully. That’s patently obvious. The question of the RWA following “protocol” in this matter, they probably should have called the lawyers first.

    Bottom line, once upon a time the SFWA picked a side in the Culture War. Rather than remaining an organization that supports professional writers, it became one that supports Leftist causes. This looks like the RWA going down the same path.

    More generally, its a great example of why I don’t join stuff like this. Two packs of monkeys fighting over a mango tree.

    1. I considered for a while joining a group for Slipstream/Speculative Fiction authors. But then they issued a “Trans Inclusion” statement that amounted to “if someone identifies as Trans you have to follow their rules no matter how silly they are” and I decided that I didn’t need that in my life.

  6. > 2. RWA affirms our commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion. We are in the process of recruiting and nominating strong, diverse candidates for the vacant Board seats to foster a Board culture rooted in transparency and accountability; all candidates are subject to Board approval.

    “It’s dead, Jim.”

    1. The funny (?) ironic (?) stupid (!) part of that statement is that the 9 board officers who immediately resigned (as in less than 24 hours after this broke on Christmas Eve) are ALL “WOC”. Of the remaining nine members who are desperately trying to keep it together, only 1 is black AND the sole man (Damon Suede, a gay man) who assumed the president position by default when the WOC president resigned will probably soon be out since the mob has a petition already being approved. So, all that diversity didn’t work out so well, did it? But, let’s try it again and ramp UP the diversity points! Anything to ensure those horribly racist NWLs don’t take over! Oh yes, the screams for exactly that terrifying possibility are all over the RWA forums.

      So, yes, it is dead. Frankly, I am at this point looking forward to dancing at the wake. Serves them all right for allowing this to happen.

          1. LOL! Oh yes, the term NWL is SO important it is now a Twitter hashtag! Nothing screams vital to the world like a Twitter hashtag.

            And as someone on the RWA forum pointed out yesterday, it is critical to understand that the word NICE is in quotes, as in “Nice” White Ladies, because we paleskins are actually devil racists who hate all ethnic groups en masse, even those mixed people who have ANY drop of non-white blood. Guess that means I hate myself since I have a fair amount of American Indian blood. Lots more than Elizabeth Warren, and she gets diversity points.

            1. Liz Warren’s ancestors on the trail of tears were guards. As in white or passing for white. If she could point to anyone of indian ancestry marrying in after that point, she would have. Unless that guard had indian ancestry, which isn’t impossible, we are probably talking around zero ancestry.

              Certainly not on any tribal rolls.

              Apologize for the digression so far into politics, but there is more than one white who has heard family rumors of indian ancestry, is interested in a career involving academia, and has paid attention to the requirements of things that would be available if considered indian, and not otherwise.

              This is one of the things that made LME’s shtick so hilarious to long term regulars. I would have credited an academic citation from them if it pointed to a racial model that they would claim is binding for the purposes of apologizing for causing offense. How much indian blood, do the Portuguese count as minority, etc… Because then that claim could be evaluated for Amanda’s level of indian ancestry, we could think about whether coming here blithely confident in racism might’ve been offensive, and we could all enjoy a hearty laugh.

            2. The dirty little secret of “Intersectional Feminism” is that White culture (ie Western European Christian) is the only one that treats women as fully equal to men, and thus White feminists are at risk of leaving the reservation and harboring dangerous opinions.

            3. Eh, as someone once observed about the “nice guy” cuss word, that if you actually want people to not think you are talking about actual guys who are actually nice, you use a term other than “nice guy.”

    1. And somebody got fired for using that exact phrase. (From a news story earlier this year.) The offender used it to refer to some paperwork that was irrelevant to her and the WOC she was talking to. The WOC decided to take offense, since “monkey” *must* have been used in a raaaaacist way.

      I’d been hoping that the race card had expired with Obama’s end of tenure, but sadly, there are organizations that still recognize it.

      SMH

  7. IMO, this article on Mars colony governance applies kinda diagonally-left-twist to xWA governance. Been wrong before; will be again. https: //quillette.com/2019/12/22/our-mission-on-mars-obey-the-lessons-of-mutiny-on-the-bounty/

    1. I’ve been meaning to read that. I have *opinions*. I read a FB group on space settlement for a while and came to the conclusion that the main attraction for the majority of people in the group was the excuse to utterly control every aspect of a community.

  8. And the attacks keep coming…

    Now one of Milan’s worshippers has taken it upon herself (righteously, of course) to tear apart another novel by Kathryn Lynn Davis. Maybe she is right, I don’t know, but if I had to guess I’d say it was more of the same fake-racism crap. But whatever the case on the “racism”, why the need to further harass the poor woman?

    Oh, forget I asked that question. Because that is what these people do.

    The Whiteness of Romance Writers of America, and a tweet-review of Kathryn Lynn Davis’s SING TO ME OF DREAMS Link: https://americanindiansinchildrensliterature.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-whiteness-of-romance-writers-of.html

      1. I suspected Milan & Minions would turn out to think such things. Soooo predictable it’s not even funny.

        1. They’re doubling down on it — Milan has issued marching orders to her hangers-on — they must demand an audit! One person pushed back a bit, and Milan had to back down and say she just had concerns, no evidence. Apparently some other author’s boyfriend has some kind of “special skills” (aka “no life”) and trawled through the back records of RWA and noticed that employees with “non-white sounding names” had held positions for short periods of time. which somehow points to embezzlement.

          The truth is that any time there’s a board turnover, an audit is a legal requirement and will happen anyway, which Milan probably knows, but she’ll take credit for it anyway.

    1. I’ve just been reading the article about “the whiteness of romance writers.”

      The article author doesn’t know bupkis about the Salish, and admits it. Nothing about their religion, their customs, or their language. Nor does she look up the Salish and find out what they did, or what they wore.

      But she casts shade on every tiny bit of research on these topics in these two books by Kathryn Lynn Davis, because obviously it must be wrong and stereotyped and such.

      Dear Lord.

      I don’t know anything about the Salish, either, but I’m a lot more likely to believe that Davis didn’t pull everything out of her butt, than that some Internet rando with a total lack of interest in research or factchecking is correct in her admittedly pulled from butt opinions.

      1. Oh, look. For all the essayist’s complaining about how the Salish couldn’t possibly have preferred going barefoot, given how many tribes went in for very elaborate footwear….

        “Leggings and moccasins were not popular with the Coast Salish, who usually preferred to go barefoot.”

        -Coast Salish: Their Art, Culture, and Legends, by Reg Ashwell.

        1. I left the essayist some minimal research items on the Coastal Salish going barefoot. Apparently that was pretty common among other Northwest coastal tribes too, like the Haida.

          The modern Coastal Salish seem to think that their ancestors going barefoot even in cold weather, and only wearing moccasins and leggings when they went hunting up in the hills, was a sign of how tough they were; and it’s part of the preparation for certain winter dances and ceremonies to go running barefoot through the snow.

          So the essayist having a fetish against Native Americans going barefoot… is just wrong. (And really, a lot of pre-modern people around the world who were living in moist areas or doing a lot of sailing seem to have gone barefoot, possibly because their feet were going to get wet anyway.)

          Similarly, the ignorant SJWs of the world love to complain about things that actually happened. God forbid they should even do an Internet search, like one of us mere mortals.

          1. Wow, the Salish are pretty interesting!

            First off, the tribal group goes all the way from the coastal Northwest US up into British Columbia (Vancouver used to be one of their fishing areas), and all the way east to include the Kalispell and “Flathead” tribes.

            There’s a lot of cultural and linguistic difference along the way, and there are lots of anthropological accounts of these differences. A guy named C. Tout. Hill put out a ton of articles about various Salish tribes, including a lot of biographical info from personal informants.

            Davis seems to have done her research on a lot of this Salish stuff, because I keep finding corroborative details in books and articles about the Salish. And this is from a cursory Internet search, not plumbing hathitrust.org or going to a good Northwest anthropological library.

            So I really don’t know what the essayist is complaining about. “Your writing style is lame” would be the worst you could say, and that would be a matter where opinions differ.

          2. But, but, but… that can’t possibly be correct because THE Courtney Milan has proclaimed that Davis is a f**king racist who knows zip about the Chinese! Does that not mean it is proven beyond any questionable doubt that Davis must hate ALL non-whites on top of not doing ANY research? And she is mixed in with those flaming racists Grimshaw and Tisdale, so guilt by association.

            You must be mistaken, Banshee. Milan has made the decree and there is just no getting around her superior intellect and supernatural ability to recognize a racist.

            *snort

          3. I’ve been tweeting her multiple times, giving links, giving her pictures, she has ignored me completely. I live in British Columbia. We all study Salish culture in school. I’m not an expert but I know more than she does.

      2. Not sure if you saw, Banshee, but the blogger got some anthropologist to offer a sort-of rebuttal to your sources. Frankly, it sounded to me like he proved the shoeless thing was possible, but Dr. Reese is all over Twitter claiming victory. *sigh These people never quit.

        1. What a freaking twit. Normal people use the keywords “Salish” and “barefoot”, and find out for themselves.

          Sadly, I am not on Twitter, so I miss all this Exciting Drama.

        2. “Costume” isn’t a red flag. That’s stupid! It simply means “what people wear”.

          It’s only very recently that anyone started getting their panties twisted about the word “costume”.

          Any older (and therefore closer to the source) work would have used the term “costume”.

          1. Either they are stupid enough that they have never heard of trench foot, and cannot reason out that cultures living in different conditions might value different things. Or they are dishonest.

            Imagine being so blinkered as to think that all the peoples of a continent were identical, down to customs and the artifacts they valued enough to manufacture and use. I’m humbled, because I don’t see how I could possibly do as good a job of dehumanizing a target group. That shoe fetish seems akin to claiming that so called ‘primitive savages’ are all identically city dwelling, peaceful, persons who can manufacture and value artifacts which moderns see as high status, such as smart phones, or maybe precision turbomachinery. Ancient jet type cranks in other words. Steve Jobs* didn’t invent the smart phone, that is a white supremacist patriarchal narrative that conceals the true invention c 7000 BC.

            *Okay, I do not like Jobs, I do not like Apple, and there is more legitimate room for quibbling about the specifics. Probably quibbling stupidly, because Jobs was good at making the path between system and market, and even that much is reasonably defensible as inventing the smart phone. Which artifact is not one I am fond of personally.

          2. Absolutely correct, Synova. A good friend of mine is, literally, an expert costumer, as in a historical seamstress/designer who has degrees up the wahzoo, teaches classes at Costume College (yes, that is a thing), and has a professional website. Jennifer Rosbrugh. Professionals at this level do prefer the term “historical clothing” to differentiate from costumes-ala-Halloween when recreating period-correct attire. That said, everyone refers to the period clothing styles themselves as the costume worn at the time.

            But trying to explain that to any of these idiots would severely tax the few functioning brain cells they possess.

            1. Common usage of terms changes over time. After all “I doubt he will be here soon” used to mean that his arrival was expected any moment. “Sensibility” used to mean one was prone to emotionalism.

              The only thing signaled by older usage is the age of the source.

  9. RWA, unfortunately, has made a series of poor timing and response decisions, although I think they are correct in their assessment of Milan’s behavior — she proactively seeks to use her stature to damage others, which is the bottom line here. She’s acts maliciously.

    This all breaking over the holidays, giving Milan time to whip up her Twitter posse, manipulate the release of information, and urge and coerce RWA members to resign (but not before calling for the recall of Damon Suede!), is a nightmare.

    I think, now that we’re off to a fresh start and back to regular business hours next week, we’ll see this sorted out more clearly.

    That said, the RWA will probably not survive this, but then I don’t think the RWA has been worth much for several years. They’d lost sight of their original mission a long time ago.

    I don’t think any new organization will be successful, either, though.

    1. I don’t have a dog in the RWA (or SFWA) fight, but I have wondered if there IS a writer-oriented organization out there that recognizes the different kinds of writer, whether indie, tradpubbed, or hybrid, and:

      1) Offered legal advice (from IP lawyers, not agents) on contracts, e.g., how to get your rights reverted to you if you were tradpubbed, or whether a publisher’s offer is as a poison apple, etc.

      2) Offered boilerplate Legalzoom-type contracts for indies doing collaborations, anthologies, etc. Writer’s Digest would break down the difference between First North American Serial Rights vs. World Rights and such. We need something with an eye for indie creators.

      3) Educated writers on the basics of licensing their works, e.g., translations, audio, video games, etc. Kristine Kathryn Rusch has a lot of tantalizing posts lately on such matters.

      4) Educated writers on the basics of licensing other people’s works, e.g., cover art, music, quotes, etc.

      5) Basic info on where to start with self-publishing: ISBNs, Amazon’s TOS, Lightning Source vs. Kindle Publishing files, how to run crowdfunding campaigns, marketing, etc.

      6) Educated on the different types of editors and where to find them, what to pay, etc.

      Some of that stuff gets covered here at Mad Genius, but it would be nice if there was a one-stop shopping “mall” where both newbies and experienced writers from all genres can be pointed to.

      This is the only kind of writing organization that might have relevance going into the Roaring Twenties — I need to get some Art Deco fascinators and flapper dresses — with the advantage that all of those ideas are business-oriented. Pot-stirrers would have little or no opportunity to mess with someone’s career, because 1-6 is focused on objective reality rather than ideology. Business without politics would be a huge selling point for a lot of people, I think.

        1. Yes, I remember Writer Beware from decades back, when AC Crispin was still alive. But it seems to be the only “writer’s service” of it’s kind, and there’s definitely room for more.

          1. AC Crispin is dead? I really liked the Starbridge series (I will admit to leaning over my monitor to see the “CR” section of my bookshelf to get that name). Yet another trad pub author I stopped following.

      1. There have been efforts to create new organizations, but I have not been following those.

  10. I’ve been a member of RWA on and off for over 20 years. When traditional publishing was the only path, they were an excellent source of insight and education because they’d formed deep relationships with the publishing houses. When indie came along, they never really adapted. Every year, I’ve considered not re-upping but, as others have pointed out, they do have some value, such as their assistance with the silly “cocky” trademark, etc. Honestly, though, I get much more out of groups such as SPF and 20Books.

    But, basically since the 2016 election, the organization has become more political and increasingly overrun with SJW and cries of racism/antisemitism, etc. at every turn. I have no doubt that an organization of this size has dealt with issues over the years. No doubt. But it’s supposed to be a professional organization focused on writing and advocacy. Not this SJW carnival funhouse.

    I don’t personally know Tisdale, Grimshaw, or Davis. I have seen Tisdale do a lot of work against KDP scammers on Twitter. I also don’t know Damon Suede. I don’t personally know Ms. Milan either but I’ve observed her Twitter account long enough.

    She wants to cast this situation as though she tripped over Ms. Davis’ book and couldn’t help but declare it a “fucking racist mess.” But that’s not quite accurate. She’d successfully led the charge to get Ms. Grimshaw fired from Marie Force’s publishing house on the basis that Ms. Grimshaw liked a bunch of “racist” tweets and also showed a pattern of discrimination when she worked at Borders. Don’t ask for the evidence of that because you’ll get called a racist again. Marie Force fired Grimshaw and that’s when Tisdale hired Grimshaw for her new imprint. And that’s what caused Tisdale, Grimshaw, and Davis to be targeted by Ms. Milan back in August.

    Milan is known for being a bully on Twitter. Anyone who disagrees with her point of view is shouted down and called racist. One especially mind-bending thing is that when someone is called racist, they aren’t being insulted at all! It’s just so that they can help the racist grow into their “woke” viewpoint. Never mind the “cancel culture” or other threats to the person’s livelihood. Never mind that she and her minions will put other writers on public do not buy lists. If they say it’s racist, it is. No arguments allowed.

    In the past, Milan has gone after Eloisa James and Mary Balogh for their “racism.” I’m certain it’s entirely coincidental that both Ms. James and Ms. Balogh write in the same subgenre as Ms. Milan and would be considered her direct competitors. Totally irrelevant, right? I stopped reading Ms. Milan’s books years ago as I found her heroines every bit as offputtingly strident as she is. Whoever described them as a “me-too” heroine in a corset? Dead on.

    So this tweet especially strikes me as a chilling problem:

    The tweet says:
    “I’m not sure it’s *possible* for RWA to bake this kind of commitment at this late date into its organizational structure. RWA bylaws say that membership can’t be denied for political affiliation, and…. one of our political affiliations is nakedly racist right now.”

    Milan did a twitter thread about what a “non-racist” RWA would look like and, at least according to her, it wouldn’t include conservatives or Republicans because they are all, by definition, racist. It lends credence to the POV that she went after Tisdale, Grimshaw, and Davis for their political beliefs. Really telling, IMHO.

    While it might look like she enjoys unconditional support on social media, several posts appeared today in the RWA PAN forum questioning this whole situation. Not everyone is on the #IStandWithCourtney bandwagon. It’s just that given her Twitter soapbox, no one dares to get in her crosshairs for fear of being labeled racist and put on a do-not-buy list.

    Also, RWA has begun issuing refunds for RITA entries. In the email, quoted in this Twitter thread, RWA says they had far more information than is public. I’m not sure why they’re not sharing it publicly yet (possibly a privacy issue?) but I suspect that it’s not a simple case of a “book review” as Ms. Milan wants to make it look.

    I absolutely agree that RWA’s action against Ms. Milan seems unduly harsh and I’d like more transparency about their decision. If they didn’t follow the bylaws (which I confess to being totally unfamiliar with as I’ve never cared enough to read them), then indeed they are wrong and should correct it.

    So, all in all, I’ve about had it with the RWA. I wasn’t getting much value before the SJW arrived and I’m sure not getting much value now. Still, it’s sad and difficult to see an organization that I was proud to be a part of for so long fall apart under “outrage.”

  11. Courtney Milan has managed to frame this situation as a scandal about racism with her the whistle blowing victim when actually she is the culprit in a bullying scandal. It is almost impressive in a Machiavellian sort of way. i wonder how it will play out in the long run. I think (read hope) that more and more people are waking up to her pattern of persistent harassment but most sensible people are rightfully scared to cross her because her wrath has real financial and personal consequences.

    1. This whole mess is extremely upsetting. Whatever bad actions the RWA did in (possibly) arranging things to get rid of Milan – and I am not excusing unethical or illegal behavior or manipulation – she is such a toxic, horrible person. It fries me that she will likely come out the hero in all of this, at least as far as the majority of people will see it.

      I’ve been following this very closely, and speaking up as much as I can. And I do see a few more people tentatively speaking out, like you and Corina below. But it falls on deaf ears or is met with vicious rebuttal. After the backtracking from Davis today (I do wonder who got to her) and how the Milan crew are all over Twitter, etc. painting this as absolute proof they are pure as the driven snow, I have lost all but the narrowest sliver of hope that the final outcome will be any good at all.

  12. I’m so happy I’ve found a group that thinks and communicates sensibly on this topic. This matter is a wildfire that’s out of control and all for one person’s ego with a scorched earth policy. Nero and a fiddle come to mind.

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