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A new policy for attending cons by John Ringo

 A new policy for attending cons by John Ringo

So Larry Correia’s invite as GOH to Origins got rescinded because he’s ‘racist’, ‘homophobe’, ‘has sex with manatees’ etc.

This is a strong suggestion to any decent author, especially all Baen authors.

If invited to a con, especially as a ‘special guest’, require the following in your contract:

Pre-paid travel. (Non-refundable, reserved for your use and one guest.)
A cash guarantee of non-cancellation on their part.

Show them links to what happened to myself and Larry.

If they cave to the SJW mobs, make it cost them.

If they refuse, they’re probably setting you up. (This, very much, looked like a set-up to boost visibility. ConCarolinas is slightly different.) Tell them that based upon recent history you have to assume they’re setting you up if they have issues with such basic items and ask them not to contact you again.

Any convention that for any reason plays this game of ‘we have to rescind your invitation’ (Origins, ConCarolinas, ArchCon) refuse to attend and ask other authors to refuse to attend. Not for any reason. Not because it’s ‘local’, not because it’s ‘convenient’. Not because ‘I’ve always gone to X con!’

Start choking them off of the revenue stream created by our attendance.

Just. Say. No.

As authors, we really don’t need conventions anymore. You get more sales through posts online and engaging in social media (for as long as Twitter and Facebook will allows us to do so) than going to all the conventions in the world. The cons are mostly for your fans and if the cons want to play this game, the fans need to make it clear they’re not going.

The exceptions to this are LibertyCon and Dragon Con. They’re both professionally run cons run by professional people who don’t play the SJW game. They’re TRULY apolitical. ( FenCon Convention seems to still be playing it down the middle as well.)

With every other convention, assume you’re being set-up at this point and don’t be played for a sucker.

Oh, yeah, and as fans and lovers of liberty, never, ever attend Origins again if you ever have. Or ConCarolinas. (Sorry, Jada.) Or ArchCon. Or WorldCon.

We need a list. They never will be missed. No they never will be missed.

This has to stop and it won’t until we take a stand. For those of you reading this who are ‘liberals’, please look at the history of how this is going and wonder how long it will take for YOU to end up against the wall. Think they’re going to stop with me and Larry? Think again.

Boycott, divest, sanction.

It’s time to strike back. We don’t need cons. Cons need us. Time for them to figure that out.

48 Comments
  1. I agree with everything Mr Ringo just said.

    Dishonorable people don’t deserve to do business with us.

    May 18, 2018
    • Agree as well. Because if someone is dishonorable in one area, I highly suspect they will be dishonorable in other ways as well.

      May 18, 2018
  2. Bingo. Time to stop playing their game.

    “A cash guarantee of non-cancellation on their part.”
    This is where an escrow service and a cancellation penalty become useful.

    May 18, 2018
  3. Is there a con worth attending in the Houston area? Or NOT attending and explaining why?

    May 18, 2018
    • I’m giving ComicPalooza a try this coming weekend, but it’s awfully big, and I’ve read the original people running it have sold it to a professional events company.

      May 19, 2018
      • Just looked at their website – saw not one book author I recognized, and just a few actors. At one time would have liked to seen Jeri Ryan, just coz she’s a hottie, but that was before I found out what a flake she was…

        May 19, 2018
        • Maybe if she’ll have sex with a manatee?

          May 19, 2018
        • Last year, they got Jim Butcher, but that was a last minute thing. I think books are not high priority with the management – no money. And I’m guessing most of the authors are local newbies – which is fine with me, since I’d like to network.

          May 19, 2018
          • You’re probably right about the locals. I know a young lady author who lives there and suggested she give it a try.

            May 19, 2018
  4. c4c

    May 18, 2018
  5. Makes perfect sense. If there is a financial stake, con organizers might be a little less quick to cave to the outrage commissars.

    May 18, 2018
  6. I do find myself wondering how soon we’ll see left-biased cons claiming they are only that way as anyone not-left is making “excessive demands” upon them. Not my problem. If they want to circle the drain, well, not my job to put in a stopper.

    May 18, 2018
  7. The fascinating part will be seeing which cons thus self-identify as ones not to waste time and money upon.

    May 18, 2018
    • Some enterprising lad should keep a running tally of who is on what side.

      May 18, 2018
  8. I think of it like a car show. You don’t want to see my 1964 Buick? You can’t guarantee some Ford fan won’t pick a fight with me because I brought a Buick? No problem! I do not need to bring my car to your show, brother. Have a nice life.

    And that is how car shows die. They start hassling guys because their cars aren’t nice enough, or because they put a Chevy motor in a Dodge truck (heresy!!!) and pretty soon there’s five guys with real nice cars sitting in an empty parking lot on a Tuesday night. They are really proud that they got rid of all the riff-raff too, let me tell you.

    I guess we are going to have Liberal science fiction and Conservative science fiction for a while. Not a problem! The Liberals don’t want my filthy Conservative dollars, I will be happy to keep them to myself.

    May 18, 2018
    • Jay Maynard #

      Yup. My 1987 Mercedes 560SL is a nice car, but not Pebble Beach Concours quality. Doesn’t matter. I can take it out and drive it and enjoy it, and if a car show wants to have me there with it, then I’ll happily take them up on it. If not, that’s their problem, not mine.

      And if someone doesn’t like German cars at their car show and hassles the organizers to get me run off, then they won’t have to ask me twice to leave.

      Same goes for SF fandom and cons. I am who and what I am, and hold the beliefs I do. If you want me there, I’ll happily come. If you don’t, then I’ll find some other way to enjoy myself with people who do want me.

      May 18, 2018
      • Eighties cars are antiques now. How mental is that? ~:D

        I parked my ultra-crappy ’86 Ford F-350 dually crew at the Scottsdale Palisades show a couple years ago, and a Ferrari Enzo parked next to me. More guys looked at my truck, because I had the rare 6.9L diesel in greasy-yet-original condition. Ferrari guy retaliated by letting kids sit in his million dollar car. Pretty cool.

        That’s how it is at the Scottsdale show, one guy brings his zillion dollar custom-everything hotrod, I bring my crappy-yet-rare crew cab, some other guy brings his Bugatti Veyron. Yes, and I have pics.

        That’s how SF/F should be.

        Instead, they’re bitching to the show runner because my rare truck isn’t a Ferrari and threatening to key my shitty paint job.

        F- ’em.

        May 18, 2018
      • many years ago I read an article, can’t remember who by or which publication, about a guy who had a really nice classic car and was asked by someone to enter it in one of the local car shows. So he did, cleaned it up and drove it over to the place (park, golf course, something like that) where it was being held. He was somewhat surprised at the presentation as everyone else trailered their car in, and many hired bikini clad young women to stand around polishing everything in sight. Needless to say he took last place. It was the difference between a show car that sits and gets may 5 miles on it in a year and cruiser that is fun to drive.

        May 18, 2018
  9. You folks don’t know me, but I have a writing career because Mr. Ringo showed the way and Mr. Corriea inspired me. I’m truly appalled at how they have been treated. I’m a pigmy compared to these giants of the genre but for whatever it’s worth I’m with them.

    May 18, 2018
    • Synova #

      Finite Pie.

      People who don’t believe in a finite pie, who believe that your success makes them bigger rather than takes away from what limited resources are available, do things like inspire and mentor and then rejoice when another author has a career, big or small.

      Those who believe in finite pies can’t stand if the wrong person gets a piece of pie.

      May 18, 2018
      • That’s certainly how I look at it. It’s not a zero sum game.

        May 18, 2018
  10. Matthew #

    c4c

    May 18, 2018
  11. Uncle Lar #

    This is the brave new tactic of the progressive left, take offense, engage in character assassination by way of lies and half truths, eventually threaten violence. We are so offended by (insert evil name here) that we won’t be able to restrain the more sensitive members of our group, and they will shout down your speaker or even resort to physical attacks.
    This has worked for them on campus for some time now and having learned that it works they are now taking on conventions and gatherings where anyone not of their beliefs congregates.
    And if we do not utterly crush them this behavior can only continue until once fun, entertaining, and informative conventions are all turned into liberal circlejerks.

    May 18, 2018
    • Synova #

      They’re already liberal circlejerks. The difference is that liberals (and even communists!) in the genre used to have some notion that they were competing with ideas, because it was about IDEAS. So it wasn’t a threat to their very person if other people were wandering about who hadn’t been converted yet.

      Now it’s about feelings. And you can’t compete on the basis of feelings, you can only have tantrums.

      And those few folks walking about bad-thinking right in front of them have to be stopped before they open their bad-think mouths to share ideas. Ideas are completely unacceptable!

      As for “crushing them”… clearly, if an organization like Origins wants to “Get Woke; Go Broke”, they’re entitled to do so. Or maybe their little fantasy world will turn out to be true and they’ll suddenly be flooded with women table top gamers who will *both* love intricate strategy rule-intense table-top war battles AND appreciate being the excuse that led to purges of other gamers. Hey, it could happen.

      There’s dozens of people who couldn’t be bothered before because they have LIVES who are looking into alternative get togethers… it’s not a finite pie… anyone with balls can set up their own game. And maybe in the end most will decide that there’s not any good reason to work that hard just to have a party.

      But those who are working at making sure that no one else is allowed their own balls or own games almost certainly will be crushed, in one sense or another, because turns out that sh*t is criminal.

      May 18, 2018
    • Mike Houst #

      So they might physically attack me?

      Well, this here old guy is retired military, expert marksman, holds a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, spends hours each week stabbing people with a sword, throws large logs and rocks around in the evening and on weekends for fun and exercise, and becomes a homicidal maniac if you push him hard enough.

      So you have to ask yourself.

      Do you feel lucky?

      May 18, 2018
      • I wouldn’t mess with ya…but I sure wish they’d to mess with me.

        May 18, 2018
      • Draven #

        In your case, they will try to incite you to something and then sicc the people with guns on you.

        May 18, 2018
  12. Synova #

    I note that at NO POINT did Ringo suggest that anyone undertake harassment at a second or third hand remove from the choice to attend or not to attend. He did not call for authors to face “consequences” if they chose differently. He did not call on anyone to stop buying the books, or shelving the books, or printing the books, or distributing the books, of those authors who go to the conventions anyway.

    I’m in a crabby mood because “don’t go, don’t give them your money, don’t let them make money off you” is being used as some sort of triumphal proof that deplatforming is the upright thing to do… without any sense that a “boycott” is not “deplatforming” and making a choice what to do with your own time and money is far far FAR from taking those choices away from others with talk of “consequences” or innuendos of what might happen to your shiny little business or your career if they fail to ban, uninvite, or shun whoever is on the block today.

    May 18, 2018
    • “…triumphal proof that deplatforming is the upright thing to do…”

      Well, if by “deplatforming” you mean “threaten to hunt down a middle aged man in a hotel and beat him” because that’s what we’re talking about here.

      What’s hilarious here is that the precious snowflakes pretending to feel “unsafe” if Ringo or Correia are at the con are toooootally kewl with sharing the same space with the guys who want to hunt Ringo down and beat him.

      I note that nobody offered to hunt Correia down. >:D

      May 18, 2018
      • Synova #

        “I note that nobody offered to hunt Correia down. >:D

        Heh. At least not that we’ve seen but, yeah.

        By “deplatforming” I mean the general goal of stopping all possible means of public speech and participation in the economy by “wrong thinkers”.

        A convention is a platform.

        Someone printing your novels or your pamphlets is helping you have a platform.

        Mail order table top board games is a platform.

        A web page and online store is a platform.

        A stage with a mic is *clearly* a platform!

        It goes far far past “I chose not to listen” and “I chose not to buy” to making as much effort as possible to make sure that no one else can listen and no one else can buy.

        May 18, 2018
        • I agree wholeheartedly on the platform thing. I was alluding to the part where they’re going a little past removing access to public forums, and starting the process of physically threatening anyone who speaks up.

          I expect that will not go well for the people doing the threatening, between one thing and another. It will most certainly not go well for the cons.

          May 18, 2018
      • snelson134 #

        Pretty sure they’ve seen Shadow’s cartoon with Larry and the tetsubo…..

        May 18, 2018
    • Mike Houst #

      Boycott the con, not the authors? I can live with that.

      May 18, 2018
      • Synova #

        Boycott the person (or organization) who committed the offense.

        It’s the difference between “I will not purchase tasty chicken sandwiches” and “you will not purchase tasty chicken sandwiches.”

        “I will not/ do not have interest in/ speaking to the military recruiters on my campus” vs. “you will not be allowed to speak to the military recruiters on my campus.”

        “I am sad and sorry that I just bought a 5E player handbook last week because this week I would not have spent that money,” vs. “I will punish you if you purchase a 5E player handbook.”

        “I will not purchase any comic by so-and-so and will let other people know that I won’t!” vs. “Any store that carries this author ought to realize that they’re opening themselves up for harassment and retaliation, so it’s their fault not mine when it happens.”

        The last seems to be (my best guess) why representatives of game companies have “gone on the record” of bragging that they helped to get Larry banned from Origins. After all, they face second or third order “boycott” and harassment if they don’t. Unfortunately (or fortunately) it’s a different sort of thing when a business conspires against the competition than when an individual makes a purchasing choice.

        May 22, 2018
        • Draven #

          yes, but as Larry has said in FB, them saying that has legal ramifications, which is why their statements as such suddenly disappeared.

          May 22, 2018
  13. I might reach the point of actually being invited to convention as a GOH, if the writing thing keeps working out (behind about 500-750 words today due to work). If I ever do, I’m going to have to do this.

    This might mean I won’t go to a lot of cons. The ego-boo would be nice, and meeting fans, but I have had enough of this kind of drama and can do without it.

    May 18, 2018
  14. With respect to Origins:

    Origins is a game convention. It was founded by the Avalon Hill Company and by Simulation Publications, Inc. for people to play board wargames.

    Now, I have a modest familiarity with board wargames and board wargaming.

    I started playing board wargames, what we now call hex and counter wargames, in 1958.

    In 1963 I played a computer game, Space War, using one of the first joysticks ever created. The game ran on the PDP-1 now seen in the Boston Computer Museum.

    In 1964, I founded what was probably the first college wargame club, the MITWGS (now the MITSGS).

    Soon thereafter, I published the first board wargame fanzine ever produced…The Tank. We advertised in the first board wargaming prozine, the Avalon Hill General.

    We became the first wargaming magazine, fanzine or prozine, to publish a complete board wargame in an issue. (I designed it.)

    I later published other gaming zines, including the Guide to Wargaming Periodical Literature, the History of Wargaming Quarterly, and Game!

    In 1974, I published in the American Wargamer…another wargame zine I founded…a review of an interesting set of miniatures rules as created by two good friends of mine, Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson. I had known them as correspondents for a half-decade, Gary more than Dave. I claimed that they had not written another set of miniatures rules. They had created an entirely new branch of the wargaming hobby. This interpretation was at the time unique, though it is now well-known.

    I also have a modest wargame collection. The board wargame count is closing on six thousand, and will likely be there this year. I also collect board wargame prozines and fanzines. The collection occupies 16 four-drawer filing cabinets.

    I hope these can be viewed as modestly adequate credentials that I know something about the board wargaming hobby, of which I have been a member since it first came into existence.

    The wargaming hobby has never before been at all interested in the political inclinations of its participants. I am reminded of a meeting of the MITSGS in the early 1970s, people peacefully playing various sorts of games. Players included several folks on the more or less far right, the student political analyst whose computer program gave the first broadcast call of the 1968 Presidential election, my Battle of the Bulge opponent who spent the time between his moves reading Mao TseTsung’s On Guerrilla Warfare because he was a Maoist, and the young lady whose support of women’s liberation included her Yule Brynner shave-to-the-skin haircut. We were there to play, even opponents whose politics did not vaguely resemble ours.

    In my opinion, the conduct of Origins in the Correia matter has disgraced the entire wargaming hobby. Its organizers should be ashamed of themselves.

    May 19, 2018
    • Spam trap caught it – wordpress delenda est.

      May 19, 2018
    • George, aside from the game collection we have a lot in common. Also grew up playing AH games, had a subscription to S&T and fondly recall SPI. My friends and I actually played War in the East out to its conclusion. When I traveled for work I took a copy of Russian Front with me to play solitaire on hotel room floors. I also played (and still own more than 400) naval miniatures.

      As you said, politics was the furthest thing from our minds. But if we had thought about it, we probably would have welcomed John Ringo or Larry Correia. What these cons have done is an utter disgrace.

      May 19, 2018
      • Origins was always a darned good convention for gaming and shopping, not so great for doing anything else. Gaming was the social portion! And we liked it!

        The other nice thing about Origins was that they had a very good military history track, run by buffs and veterans, and with an unusual number of presentations about Canadian military history as well as the US and the rest of the world. They also had a track of a large scale simulation of global politics and war, providing lots of roleplaying fun. There was also a lot of tracks for schoolteachers planning to use games for learning.

        Most of these folks like Larry Correia.

        Of course, I’ve heard that a lot of these tracks have been diminishing in recent years, so maybe they are just killing off the con quickly instead of slowly.

        May 19, 2018
        • I’ve written military history for decades now, sounds like I would have liked it. What a shame.

          May 19, 2018
  15. Reblogged this on The Writer in Black and commented:
    I’m rather small potatoes for this to matter much in my case but yeah, pretty much this.

    May 19, 2018
  16. Well I can’t boycott Origins or ConCarlinos or Archon because I have never been I did go to WorldCon once and decided never to spend my money with those stuckup prudes again, That was in 2016? When it was in Kansas, If you were there I was the guy who walked into the Hugo Hall wearing a Sad Puppies T Shirt, Which I gave to Ms Hoyt at Libertycon last year, No one said a word but I AM at 6 ft 300 and walk with a shillelagh (looks like a club) I guess when you keep saying how irrational and violent conservatives are it tends to discourage confrontations LOL,

    May 20, 2018

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